I traveled from San Diego to Israel/Palestine in 2003 to film a series of documentaries about Palestine and the apartheid wall. I was there for 3 months, and you're description of the difference between the Israeli people and the Palestinians is spot on. When I tell my friends in American how gracious and generous the Palestinians were to me, they seem confused because of all of the negative propaganda about Arabs they are exposed to by the American mainstream media. On the other hand, most of the Israelis I had to deal with were rude, condescending, suspicious and hostile. If the American people teally knew the truth about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, they would not be supporting Israel.
I worked with a fellow who was on TDY (temporary duty) in the Middle East during in the late 1980's during his stint in the US armed forces. They went to Tel Aviv for a few days of R&R (rest & relaxation) wearing civilian cloths and one of them, a Mexican American, stayed at the bar my friend and his military companions had just left, when walking a half of a block away, heard yelling outside the bar when they saw Israeli soldiers dragging the American G.I. onto the sidewalk, so they ran back to intervene and asked "what are you guys doing?"One of the Jewish soldiers said "We don't allow Palestinians in these bars! "He's an American, damn it!" They apologized thinking he was Arabic with his olive complexion and of course, let him go.
Unfortunately, bluecurl3, the American people don't want to know (willful ignorance, as my wife used to say) as it's too unpleasant to think about. (Read the Patrick Lawrence article on "Happiness) And they have let their minds be conditioned by Zionist propaganda calling it anti-semitism as the Masters of Propaganda have seen it work ever since the defeat of the Third Reich.
The American “people” is comprised of many groups and some of them are quite proud of having done the same to native Americans, and a great many long for a return to the apartheid aka Jim Crow days.
Unfortunately their heats and minds are deeply enough corrupted that indeed they would knowingly support Israel, as opposed to the current state which is that many of them just don’t even want to know.
Lots of examples of this throughout history, so, don’t be guilty of presentism. We are no different than those who came before us and their disputes were worked out just like this one.
At some point in the future, the Jews will have either have won or been eradicated from the Middle East. That’s what this is about. That is their enemies plan.
If I were a Jew, I would be just as hard: 1 billion Muslims want them dead or at least gone.
I think it’s time to engage the party of God. Avail them of their God.
Re: "1 billion Muslims want them dead or at least gone." How do you know that? The Palestinians I met and spoke with, Christian and Muslim, want to live in peace with their Jewish neighbors, just like they did before the creation of the Zionist state of Israel. And just as Jews and Muslims throughout the Arab world did prior to 1948. Of course Israel will have to make reparations for all of the harm it has committed. But that is only right and just. I do wonder if peace will be possible because Israelis seem mostly not to want peace. They want all of the land instead.
However, should this be wrong, the result will be the end of Israel, imagine what that would trigger. Would a people who only 80 years ago suffered the holocaust be willing to use extreme measures and extreme weapons?
I would suggest there is a critical mass of hatred towards the Jews to be de facto as the state of play. It’s a pickle, but there seems to be a lot of space out in that desert, maybe if eradication was not the goal, maybe an accommodation. You see the “they got along before argument “ is dangerous, much has happened in the interim that suggests there is no going back.
I traveled from San Diego to Israel/Palestine in 2003 to film a series of documentaries about Palestine and the apartheid wall. I was there for 3 months, and you're description of the difference between the Israeli people and the Palestinians is spot on. When I tell my friends in American how gracious and generous the Palestinians were to me, they seem confused because of all of the negative propaganda about Arabs they are exposed to by the American mainstream media. On the other hand, most of the Israelis I had to deal with were rude, condescending, suspicious and hostile. If the American people teally knew the truth about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, they would not be supporting Israel.
Yes. Exactly so. Thank you for this comment.
I worked with a fellow who was on TDY (temporary duty) in the Middle East during in the late 1980's during his stint in the US armed forces. They went to Tel Aviv for a few days of R&R (rest & relaxation) wearing civilian cloths and one of them, a Mexican American, stayed at the bar my friend and his military companions had just left, when walking a half of a block away, heard yelling outside the bar when they saw Israeli soldiers dragging the American G.I. onto the sidewalk, so they ran back to intervene and asked "what are you guys doing?"One of the Jewish soldiers said "We don't allow Palestinians in these bars! "He's an American, damn it!" They apologized thinking he was Arabic with his olive complexion and of course, let him go.
Unfortunately, bluecurl3, the American people don't want to know (willful ignorance, as my wife used to say) as it's too unpleasant to think about. (Read the Patrick Lawrence article on "Happiness) And they have let their minds be conditioned by Zionist propaganda calling it anti-semitism as the Masters of Propaganda have seen it work ever since the defeat of the Third Reich.
The American “people” is comprised of many groups and some of them are quite proud of having done the same to native Americans, and a great many long for a return to the apartheid aka Jim Crow days.
Unfortunately their heats and minds are deeply enough corrupted that indeed they would knowingly support Israel, as opposed to the current state which is that many of them just don’t even want to know.
sad and beautiful
What you are doing in Palestine is remarkably brave and admirable!
Tough medicine.
Lots of examples of this throughout history, so, don’t be guilty of presentism. We are no different than those who came before us and their disputes were worked out just like this one.
At some point in the future, the Jews will have either have won or been eradicated from the Middle East. That’s what this is about. That is their enemies plan.
If I were a Jew, I would be just as hard: 1 billion Muslims want them dead or at least gone.
I think it’s time to engage the party of God. Avail them of their God.
Re: "1 billion Muslims want them dead or at least gone." How do you know that? The Palestinians I met and spoke with, Christian and Muslim, want to live in peace with their Jewish neighbors, just like they did before the creation of the Zionist state of Israel. And just as Jews and Muslims throughout the Arab world did prior to 1948. Of course Israel will have to make reparations for all of the harm it has committed. But that is only right and just. I do wonder if peace will be possible because Israelis seem mostly not to want peace. They want all of the land instead.
Okay, the counter argument and politely stated.
However, should this be wrong, the result will be the end of Israel, imagine what that would trigger. Would a people who only 80 years ago suffered the holocaust be willing to use extreme measures and extreme weapons?
I would suggest there is a critical mass of hatred towards the Jews to be de facto as the state of play. It’s a pickle, but there seems to be a lot of space out in that desert, maybe if eradication was not the goal, maybe an accommodation. You see the “they got along before argument “ is dangerous, much has happened in the interim that suggests there is no going back.
You don't know what you're talking about. "Presentism?" "We" are no different from those who came before us? You speak only for yourself, boy.